Freedom groups are generally avoid taking a political stand. If less government rule and lower taxes are among their goals, a political stand is necessary. Labour unions provide the best approach.
My believe is, the governmental system we now have is designed to protect the governments power structure. Lib, PC, NDP, PPC etc all keep the existing structure, and only work with smoke and mirrors while never truly addressing the underlying issues. Non of them want to fix the problems because they benefit from them.
I like what 'The New Federation Party’ has to say, a new form of government, decentralized. Only party that seems to actually want to change things ....... had to look for it!
Banking, no fiat currency allowed, must be asset backed currency and if getting a loan, you must be borrowing actual existing savings/investment capital.
Absolute right to Freedom of speech,
Absolute right to self defense, by any means at hand.
Truth, in government and News media. Under penalty of unlawful trespass, by that I mean the gov and media must be held to the highest standard of truth, with no manipulation, spin, partial truths etc. Being a high crime against the public to lie to them. Enforced by the police, such that if brought to their attention )charges laid by a man or women, and finding grounds for the charge the officer MUST arrest the elected official and/or the news reported making the statements, if they do not make the arrest they loose their job and are themselves charged with dereliction of duty, and any superior officer that interferes is also arrested etc. Many of the issues we now face go away with complete truth and complete disclosure.
then why is it, banking for one not part of the platform, I have little trust for gov of any kind. When will they limit thier own power and give that control bakc to the people. seriously read what the new federation party has to say, not saying they are the answer but what they propose make more long term sense than anything else I have seen. and yes the cons will not address or do anything of relavance.
I am interested in a change in direction. The CPC offers that realistic possibility. I have been a Libertarian candidate in ten elections and adviced people to “vote their conscience”. Not, the road ahead if the Liberals get re-elected is too scary to contemplate. I will vote strategically this time to make sure the Liberals get a knockout blow.
I would love to see Max as the next PM and enough elected PPC MPs in Parliament to affect the kind of Libertarian-Conservative (classical liberal) government we need. Too bad that the odds of this happening are below 0.01% while the odds of the Poilivre Consevatives dethroning the LIB/NDP dictatorship are about 75% likely.
I am becoming more practical in my senior years and vote for the future of my children rather that myself. From that perspective, I can’t afford to vote on unrealistic dreams.
I agree that the Conservatives will have less abject stupidity, but I doubt they will reduce the over-reach of government by any detectable amount. They will certainly not cull the civil servant herd. They will not do much with immigration, monetary policy, fiscal policy, climate hysteria and globalism.
You forget Gene that our emperor is opening the pandora’s box of welfare before he gives up his throne. The cons will not be able to or refuse to close that box to stay in power if they are elected. I cannot afford to allow my children to fall into perennial servitude. Hence, I too am strategic and working on moving out of here with my family whilst I still can.
what about the fiat currency, cannot find anything where it is eliminated, root cause of money printing and inflation. put all property rights, self defense in a charter of responsibility and freedoms and have it the highest law put in through referendum. any gov infringes is arrested and imprisoned. where are the repercussions for lying to the public. like the self defense proposal why is it not enshrined in the bill of rights and cannot be infringed by gov, same as property rights etc. they adjust the existing system.
Maxime Bernier, leader of PPC has frequently advocated for returning to a gold or similar standard. We also support robust self-defense policies, elimination of most restrictions on firearms. We are discussing a "castle doctrine" for defending your family and property.
There is only one way a true change will happen in Canada and I don’t want to pursue that option. I opt to vote with my feet like European settlers of the past.
temporarily that may work, if they take enough of the world, no where will be safe. United mass non compliance and/or natural and/or common law is the only peaceful resolution to this I see. the longer it takes the worse it will get before stopped. I do not disagree with your premise, you may be correct, but that means abandoning the next generations to what is coming. We as a society allowed it to occur one tiny step at a time, never punishing those responsible. It will get worse before it gets better, but I believe it will get better.
I believe my generation are better off in places where they are able to flourish from day one and expect them to move to another place again if they are not treated best for their service and loyalty. I agree no place is perfect but there are plenty of places far better off than this country. My folks will take a chance with them just like European settlers in the past. Hamish or Mennonites are a classic example.
Gene, are you implying the PPC and Libertarian parties have to go away? If not, what role do you see for those parties and their followers. Unlike you, I see the CPC as decidedly status quo and not at all likely to reduce government sprawl, deficits, and certainly not at all likely to push back the administrative state and restore a healthy balance between parliament, the executive, the bureaucracy and the courts.
No, I am not implying that. Instead, I am saying that the CPC has the only realistic chance of eliminating the most evil government in my lifetime and this is a chance that must not be squandered. As a Libertarian, I have always hated stragetic voting and hated even more the power of unions to election outcomes AGAINST MY INTERESTS! I propose we use union tactics to form a “union of freedom parties” to defeat the ‘left’ at their own game.
Neither the PPC nor LPoC have ever elected a single MP. I consider them “protest votes” designed to register voter opposition to the LIB/NDP cabal in Parliament. Why protest when you can have your vote COUNT towards defeating the cabal? Will the CPC be any better? I don’t know, but I can’t imagine them to be worse.
I beg to differ. Remember Pierre’s comments on visiting EU MP to Canada that gave her piece of mind to our emperor in EU parliament. A CON is a con in the end. They do pander to evil people behind closed doors.
See I am certain that all fed, prov, city elections are rigged the winner is chosen ahead of time, if the system was overwhelmed with numbers maybe that would change things. So from that perspective the libs will not get in again because the cheat will be too obvious to everyone. The last time they cheated but did so poorly even the cheat barely gave them a minority gov. 200,000+ mail in votes that magically did not get counted and he won by less than the number not counted as just one part of that. The Toronto by-election had one Chris Sky running, he had rallies in the 10,000+ range every where he went but only got 8,000 votes, makes no sense. The cpc is just the next step, unless the WHO pandemic treaty is put to use and we get martial law and all elections suspended (speculation). In any normal system trudope would have been pulled down by the so called feminists over Jodi wilson raybold being ousted not to mention the other lady he kicked out as well., but the media never told them to. I have very little faith that we can vote our way out of this. I agree with your libertarian stance, the one failing of libertarians is the reluctance to have anything to do with politics, if we let all these power hungry people do all these distasteful jobs this is what we get. Municipal I think is where we can make some change, any municipality has as much authority as any city, they rarely use that and leave it to the provinces, but it is there. if municipal gov refuses to do what the other levels tell them much falls apart. Try common and natural law https://awarriorcalls.com/common-law/, scroll down there are others.
Gene I find it odd that you profess choosing one slave master over another based on how many lashes and time breaks are mentioned in their campaign. This implies desperate times but I will not compromise on my libertarian principles. This country is a lost cause. There is a reason you will never hear of a revolution in China or North Korea. The masses have been neutralized. There is no shame in leaving a despicable place for a better one. It happens many times in nature and we are no exception. I will vote with my feet like many liberty minded folks are doing on a regular basis. I can understand many can’t but I have this opportunity and hence I opt to choose it.
I am a realist. The system we have is not going away on its own. We must work with what we have. Trudeau is a known entity and we know he will keep passing bad policies which the public sector has a duty to enforce. Poilievre is the only realistic alternative- a wild card- we don’t know exactly what he will do. He is saying the right things, but will/can he act on them? Only time will tell.
Electoral reform could fix a lot of that, but the Conservatives are staunchly against it and whipped members to vote against M-86. Even half the Liberals were onside.
Gene, the issue is not Trudeau but the culture and society at large. Evil is evil in the end irrespective of being big or small and no party can claim they are a lesser of an evil (except Libertarian Party of Canada). Just like how slavery was legal in the past but that didn’t make it right. There was a civil war in USA for a reason. I am being realistic by working on getting out of here. The same way how settlers arrived in other parts of the world from Europe.
Yeah. I'd be very pleased to be able to have a conversation with Justin Trudeau, Jagmeet, Blanchet, Poilievre. Actually conversed with Elizabeth May once and it was pleasant and informative. Who knew she was a staunch literalist about he Westminster system?
My believe is, the governmental system we now have is designed to protect the governments power structure. Lib, PC, NDP, PPC etc all keep the existing structure, and only work with smoke and mirrors while never truly addressing the underlying issues. Non of them want to fix the problems because they benefit from them.
I like what 'The New Federation Party’ has to say, a new form of government, decentralized. Only party that seems to actually want to change things ....... had to look for it!
A few issues they never solve.
Banking, no fiat currency allowed, must be asset backed currency and if getting a loan, you must be borrowing actual existing savings/investment capital.
Absolute right to Freedom of speech,
Absolute right to self defense, by any means at hand.
Truth, in government and News media. Under penalty of unlawful trespass, by that I mean the gov and media must be held to the highest standard of truth, with no manipulation, spin, partial truths etc. Being a high crime against the public to lie to them. Enforced by the police, such that if brought to their attention )charges laid by a man or women, and finding grounds for the charge the officer MUST arrest the elected official and/or the news reported making the statements, if they do not make the arrest they loose their job and are themselves charged with dereliction of duty, and any superior officer that interferes is also arrested etc. Many of the issues we now face go away with complete truth and complete disclosure.
Absolute property rights, shall not be infringed.
Personal responsibility.
Just to name a few things ......
The Conservatives won't address any of that. PPC would address most of it, and is open to thinking about the rest.
then why is it, banking for one not part of the platform, I have little trust for gov of any kind. When will they limit thier own power and give that control bakc to the people. seriously read what the new federation party has to say, not saying they are the answer but what they propose make more long term sense than anything else I have seen. and yes the cons will not address or do anything of relavance.
I am interested in a change in direction. The CPC offers that realistic possibility. I have been a Libertarian candidate in ten elections and adviced people to “vote their conscience”. Not, the road ahead if the Liberals get re-elected is too scary to contemplate. I will vote strategically this time to make sure the Liberals get a knockout blow.
I would love to see Max as the next PM and enough elected PPC MPs in Parliament to affect the kind of Libertarian-Conservative (classical liberal) government we need. Too bad that the odds of this happening are below 0.01% while the odds of the Poilivre Consevatives dethroning the LIB/NDP dictatorship are about 75% likely.
I am becoming more practical in my senior years and vote for the future of my children rather that myself. From that perspective, I can’t afford to vote on unrealistic dreams.
I agree that the Conservatives will have less abject stupidity, but I doubt they will reduce the over-reach of government by any detectable amount. They will certainly not cull the civil servant herd. They will not do much with immigration, monetary policy, fiscal policy, climate hysteria and globalism.
You forget Gene that our emperor is opening the pandora’s box of welfare before he gives up his throne. The cons will not be able to or refuse to close that box to stay in power if they are elected. I cannot afford to allow my children to fall into perennial servitude. Hence, I too am strategic and working on moving out of here with my family whilst I still can.
PPC would not "keep the existing structure". We also advocate for radical decentralization and restoration of separation of powers.
what about the fiat currency, cannot find anything where it is eliminated, root cause of money printing and inflation. put all property rights, self defense in a charter of responsibility and freedoms and have it the highest law put in through referendum. any gov infringes is arrested and imprisoned. where are the repercussions for lying to the public. like the self defense proposal why is it not enshrined in the bill of rights and cannot be infringed by gov, same as property rights etc. they adjust the existing system.
Maxime Bernier, leader of PPC has frequently advocated for returning to a gold or similar standard. We also support robust self-defense policies, elimination of most restrictions on firearms. We are discussing a "castle doctrine" for defending your family and property.
Albeit in the vision of mad max and rabid nationalism. I think I will pass as I am not interested in entering the thunder dome.
What we have is not meant to work for the people. We need change.
There is only one way a true change will happen in Canada and I don’t want to pursue that option. I opt to vote with my feet like European settlers of the past.
temporarily that may work, if they take enough of the world, no where will be safe. United mass non compliance and/or natural and/or common law is the only peaceful resolution to this I see. the longer it takes the worse it will get before stopped. I do not disagree with your premise, you may be correct, but that means abandoning the next generations to what is coming. We as a society allowed it to occur one tiny step at a time, never punishing those responsible. It will get worse before it gets better, but I believe it will get better.
I believe my generation are better off in places where they are able to flourish from day one and expect them to move to another place again if they are not treated best for their service and loyalty. I agree no place is perfect but there are plenty of places far better off than this country. My folks will take a chance with them just like European settlers in the past. Hamish or Mennonites are a classic example.
Gene, are you implying the PPC and Libertarian parties have to go away? If not, what role do you see for those parties and their followers. Unlike you, I see the CPC as decidedly status quo and not at all likely to reduce government sprawl, deficits, and certainly not at all likely to push back the administrative state and restore a healthy balance between parliament, the executive, the bureaucracy and the courts.
No, I am not implying that. Instead, I am saying that the CPC has the only realistic chance of eliminating the most evil government in my lifetime and this is a chance that must not be squandered. As a Libertarian, I have always hated stragetic voting and hated even more the power of unions to election outcomes AGAINST MY INTERESTS! I propose we use union tactics to form a “union of freedom parties” to defeat the ‘left’ at their own game.
Neither the PPC nor LPoC have ever elected a single MP. I consider them “protest votes” designed to register voter opposition to the LIB/NDP cabal in Parliament. Why protest when you can have your vote COUNT towards defeating the cabal? Will the CPC be any better? I don’t know, but I can’t imagine them to be worse.
Many consider the CPC part of the same "cabal".
I beg to differ. Remember Pierre’s comments on visiting EU MP to Canada that gave her piece of mind to our emperor in EU parliament. A CON is a con in the end. They do pander to evil people behind closed doors.
https://fee.org/articles/is-a-vote-for-a-third-party-really-a-waste
See I am certain that all fed, prov, city elections are rigged the winner is chosen ahead of time, if the system was overwhelmed with numbers maybe that would change things. So from that perspective the libs will not get in again because the cheat will be too obvious to everyone. The last time they cheated but did so poorly even the cheat barely gave them a minority gov. 200,000+ mail in votes that magically did not get counted and he won by less than the number not counted as just one part of that. The Toronto by-election had one Chris Sky running, he had rallies in the 10,000+ range every where he went but only got 8,000 votes, makes no sense. The cpc is just the next step, unless the WHO pandemic treaty is put to use and we get martial law and all elections suspended (speculation). In any normal system trudope would have been pulled down by the so called feminists over Jodi wilson raybold being ousted not to mention the other lady he kicked out as well., but the media never told them to. I have very little faith that we can vote our way out of this. I agree with your libertarian stance, the one failing of libertarians is the reluctance to have anything to do with politics, if we let all these power hungry people do all these distasteful jobs this is what we get. Municipal I think is where we can make some change, any municipality has as much authority as any city, they rarely use that and leave it to the provinces, but it is there. if municipal gov refuses to do what the other levels tell them much falls apart. Try common and natural law https://awarriorcalls.com/common-law/, scroll down there are others.
Gene I find it odd that you profess choosing one slave master over another based on how many lashes and time breaks are mentioned in their campaign. This implies desperate times but I will not compromise on my libertarian principles. This country is a lost cause. There is a reason you will never hear of a revolution in China or North Korea. The masses have been neutralized. There is no shame in leaving a despicable place for a better one. It happens many times in nature and we are no exception. I will vote with my feet like many liberty minded folks are doing on a regular basis. I can understand many can’t but I have this opportunity and hence I opt to choose it.
I am a realist. The system we have is not going away on its own. We must work with what we have. Trudeau is a known entity and we know he will keep passing bad policies which the public sector has a duty to enforce. Poilievre is the only realistic alternative- a wild card- we don’t know exactly what he will do. He is saying the right things, but will/can he act on them? Only time will tell.
Electoral reform could fix a lot of that, but the Conservatives are staunchly against it and whipped members to vote against M-86. Even half the Liberals were onside.
Gene, the issue is not Trudeau but the culture and society at large. Evil is evil in the end irrespective of being big or small and no party can claim they are a lesser of an evil (except Libertarian Party of Canada). Just like how slavery was legal in the past but that didn’t make it right. There was a civil war in USA for a reason. I am being realistic by working on getting out of here. The same way how settlers arrived in other parts of the world from Europe.
No, he is from the same side...Only Maxime Bernie. Poilievre met Bill Gates and Schaub in 2015!
Guilty by association? Really? Do you agree with everyone you meet?
Yeah. I'd be very pleased to be able to have a conversation with Justin Trudeau, Jagmeet, Blanchet, Poilievre. Actually conversed with Elizabeth May once and it was pleasant and informative. Who knew she was a staunch literalist about he Westminster system?