I don’t know about you, but I still have many questions about the fundamental science behind the whole Climate Change “debate”. “The Science” is far from settled in my mind.
The only “scientific research” that gets any funding is that which is done at taxpayer expense. None of it has gone into the kind of questions that I asked. All of it goes to fund projects that study the effects of AGW. The “cause” is always assumed to be green house gas emissions and the “effects” are always excuses for more government spending.
Of course. Government will only pay for research that supports the Ideas meant to keep us supporting government "solutions" requiring more regulations and taxes. And the Woke culture helps them by making sure any decent research or objections gets buried, just like the Covid "pandemic."
Exactly right! The studies are mostly created to support the AGW narrative. But they still stumble over the truth that can't be ignored, without them soiling themselves. It reminds me of the Monty Python Dead Parrot skit. 'This parrot is dead, as in deceased. 'No it's not!' Or from the movie The Jerk, the, 'He hates cans!!' scene. LOL
There are many factors that affects climate but almost all of them are ignored by climate change alarmists. They are only willing to discuss CO2 and methane in relation to “global” temperature increases. Even the idea of “global temperature” is a crock.
A friend of mine graduated with a Physics degree about the same year. He was kind enough to provide the following comment to to questions:
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The short answer to your first question is both yes and no. Earth's atmosphere is a solution and
just like a glass of muddy water, if it was left to stand completely still then it would
separate out. However, Earth's rotation acts like a gigantic mix master and keeps things mixed
pretty evenly. There are also things such as the differential heating of the Earth by the Sun as it
rotates. At very high altitudes, other effects begin to come into play and mix actually changes. How
do we know this? We've been measuring the atmosphere and the gases it contains since the early
1800's and we are still measuring it thousands of times a day throughout the world although the
instruments used are much more sophisticated. There are literally (in the true definition of
literal) hundreds if not thousands of satellites in orbit that cover every sq centimetre of the Earth
and are continually making these kinds of measurements. There are measured and understood differences in these gas ratios throughout the world. For example, the ratios are slightly different over the poles but I do not believe these differences are great or significant in the scheme of the whole
Earth.
Entropy is not a major influencer in the overall scheme primarily because the Earth is not a closed
system.
As for equilibrium, that depends on what you're really asking. At a molecular leave, the atmosphere
is most definitely not in equilibrium.
As for question 2, entropy is not the factor to consider here for the reasons given above. I've never really investigated this but I would expect that temperature and pressure would have an impact on the gas ratios in a open system such as the Earth but that is just my guess. I would also expect these not to be very significant and that the ratios would mostly hold. This is of course would only be relevant if you measure the ratios by volume.
If the ratios are measured by parts per million or some similar method
that is counting actual numbers molecules then I would expect the ratios to remain exactly the same
due purely to the conservation of mass law. The biggest influencer to keep in mind here is the
Earth's mix master effect which keeps everything pretty much equally stirred. I also would strongly
expect that all of the equations used to model climate are based on a parts per million type
measurement and not a volume ratio. The chemical reactions that are going on in the environment are after-all happening at a molecular level.
Very good questions and we could add many more.
Not only about CO2 variations in different climates, but also the very measurability of the effect.
Everything about global warming is a theory, not supported by any measurable empirical evidence.
The only “scientific research” that gets any funding is that which is done at taxpayer expense. None of it has gone into the kind of questions that I asked. All of it goes to fund projects that study the effects of AGW. The “cause” is always assumed to be green house gas emissions and the “effects” are always excuses for more government spending.
Of course. Government will only pay for research that supports the Ideas meant to keep us supporting government "solutions" requiring more regulations and taxes. And the Woke culture helps them by making sure any decent research or objections gets buried, just like the Covid "pandemic."
Exactly right! The studies are mostly created to support the AGW narrative. But they still stumble over the truth that can't be ignored, without them soiling themselves. It reminds me of the Monty Python Dead Parrot skit. 'This parrot is dead, as in deceased. 'No it's not!' Or from the movie The Jerk, the, 'He hates cans!!' scene. LOL
I presume you're meaning man-made climate effects are a theory, leaving any actual changes attributable to natural cycles and processes.
There are many factors that affects climate but almost all of them are ignored by climate change alarmists. They are only willing to discuss CO2 and methane in relation to “global” temperature increases. Even the idea of “global temperature” is a crock.
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A friend of mine graduated with a Physics degree about the same year. He was kind enough to provide the following comment to to questions:
======
The short answer to your first question is both yes and no. Earth's atmosphere is a solution and
just like a glass of muddy water, if it was left to stand completely still then it would
separate out. However, Earth's rotation acts like a gigantic mix master and keeps things mixed
pretty evenly. There are also things such as the differential heating of the Earth by the Sun as it
rotates. At very high altitudes, other effects begin to come into play and mix actually changes. How
do we know this? We've been measuring the atmosphere and the gases it contains since the early
1800's and we are still measuring it thousands of times a day throughout the world although the
instruments used are much more sophisticated. There are literally (in the true definition of
literal) hundreds if not thousands of satellites in orbit that cover every sq centimetre of the Earth
and are continually making these kinds of measurements. There are measured and understood differences in these gas ratios throughout the world. For example, the ratios are slightly different over the poles but I do not believe these differences are great or significant in the scheme of the whole
Earth.
Entropy is not a major influencer in the overall scheme primarily because the Earth is not a closed
system.
As for equilibrium, that depends on what you're really asking. At a molecular leave, the atmosphere
is most definitely not in equilibrium.
As for question 2, entropy is not the factor to consider here for the reasons given above. I've never really investigated this but I would expect that temperature and pressure would have an impact on the gas ratios in a open system such as the Earth but that is just my guess. I would also expect these not to be very significant and that the ratios would mostly hold. This is of course would only be relevant if you measure the ratios by volume.
If the ratios are measured by parts per million or some similar method
that is counting actual numbers molecules then I would expect the ratios to remain exactly the same
due purely to the conservation of mass law. The biggest influencer to keep in mind here is the
Earth's mix master effect which keeps everything pretty much equally stirred. I also would strongly
expect that all of the equations used to model climate are based on a parts per million type
measurement and not a volume ratio. The chemical reactions that are going on in the environment are after-all happening at a molecular level.
Yes, you are geeking out. LOL
You are deep into the weeds.
CO2 is not a driver of global warming. Never was, nor is, no matter what the man-made or otherwise global warming alarmists think.
The Sun however, is.
Solar climate forcing was not accounted for in the alarmists' climate models. As new data comes in, they can no longer ignore the science.
Yet they continue to resist the new science.
You might find this one video a quick overview. It is also part of a playlist dealing with various aspects of this topic.
https://youtu.be/7_ccRjQpBgU?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcqdt3LK6d66tMreI4gqIC-